The actress on what it was like on the set of Hustlers (spoiler: it was great) and the power of a reset between gigs.
“I think a well-written role is multifaceted and nuanced,” Madeline Brewer says, kicking off her heels and pecking at a taro chip just as we snap our last photo. Brewer brings that complex sensibility to every character no matter how big or small—from Tricia Miller in Orange Is the New Black to Janine in The Handmaid’s Tale and most recently as the unpredictable Dawn in Hustlers. “Dawn is in two scenes, but it’s about finding every little piece about [the character], getting their personal history, and understanding what brought them to where they are now,” she tells us. Her fiery red hair whips around at the sight of a bee—Brewer has never been stung and doesn’t want to risk it. We’re on the rooftop; down below, a crowd of celeb-spotted hopefuls linger around the velvet rope cornering off the entrance to Baro. So we tuck ourselves into a glass enclosure by the staircase to tête-à-tête about *that* J.Lo moment on set, stripping away the male gaze when portraying sex workers, and the power of a reset.
So tell us, why did you want to work on Hustlers?
“First of all, Lorene Scafaria is fucking brilliant. She’s so cool and laid back, but so passionate. She doesn’t want to be a filmmaker to be a filmmaker; she wants to do it because she wants to tell a really good story, in a way that only she can. I was drawn to Hustlers because it’s a story about women and friendship. It’s about sex workers, which is a topic I really love. It’s women surviving the only way that they know how. After I had my first conversation with Lorene, I was like, ‘I don’t care what has to happen. I have to be in this film. I don’t care what part or anything. Just let me be in it.’”
That seems to be the consensus! Did your role in Cam inform this role?
“What I learned working with Isa Mazzei, the woman who wrote Cam and is a former cam girl, is to have a more critical eye and a better understanding of sex work and how it has been portrayed in film for decades. It takes effort to resist the male-gaze [view] we have of sex workers in Hollywood films. The characters aren’t at all similar [between the films], but the understanding that sex work is work, that sex workers are people doing a job, [is the same]. What I learned on Cam about sex work helped inform how I would approach the level of respect someone has to have for sex workers to make a movie about them. When I had that conversation with Lorene, she got it. She knew she couldn’t tell a story about sex workers without talking to sex workers, including them, or hearing their stories. She didn’t fall into any trope or any stereotype. She really told an honest story.”
What was the most memorable day on set?
“There’s one that always comes to mind. [Hustlers is] a quick set. Jennifer [Lopez] isn’t wasting any time, and Lorene [Scafaria] knows what she wants— she knew what she was going for. She gave us room to play, but she was very clear and very hardworking. Todd [Banhazi], our DP, is a genius. His genius doesn’t take a lot of time. He knows what he’s going for. He’s very prepared and has a great team. So I came in, and I’m much more used to extensive blocking, moving around the space and feeling it. They were like, ‘You’re going to go there, and then there, and then there, and that’s the scene.’ So we go in to do that, and then we leave to finish up hair and makeup and then come back to shoot. I was standing in the places where they had previously told me to stand, but they had moved my mark, so Jennifer goes, ‘Baby, do you want to stand on your mark?’ I was like, ‘Oh my god. Day one, scene one, Jennifer Lopez has to tell me, ‘Do you want to stand on your mark?’ She was so cool, too. I was like, ‘Fuck, she thinks I’m terrible!’ But no, she was cool. Everyone on set had the consensus that she’s the mama. She was just like, ‘I will make sure you are OK, and that you are OK. I’m good, let’s make this thing.’”
You have so many projects on the go. How do you shape-shift and recalibrate between projects?
“I have to take downtime. I don’t mean to be like, ‘Oh, I’m such an artist,’ but I do give a lot of myself to my work. When I’m in work mode, I work so hard—I never stop thinking about it. So when it’s time to stop, I have to crash for like, four days. No human interaction. Netflix only. Postmates. Nobody talk to me—I’m a gremlin for the next four days.”
What’s the first thing you do in the morning?
“Coffee. My boyfriend makes me coffee every morning because he’s a saint.”
The last thing you do before bed?
“Take a bath.”
Where do you feel most creative?
“New York City.”
Do you care if you win board games?
“Yes! It might be the only thing I care about winning. And card games. Sports? No.”
Do you talk during movies?
“It depends on the movie. I’m not one of those ‘So who’s that?’ But I do sometimes yell at the screen. I get invested.”
Can you change the oil on a car?
“No. I’m like a doll who came to life, who doesn’t know how to do things. I don’t know how to do anything. I’m like, ‘I can act. Just let me do that!’”
Having your identity stolen or being locked out of your social media accounts is a very real possibility in 2018. Cam, a new psychological thriller starring Madeline Brewer, shows just how dark that experience can be.
In the film, Brewer plays a 20-something girl named Alice who lives a double life as a cam girl, performing sexualized acts via webcam for money from anonymous sources on the other side of the screen. Online, she goes by the name of Lola, filming herself in her plush pink bedroom, and having full conversations with her “fans” on the cam girl service. The more money she earns, the more popular she becomes, and the higher up she climbs in the ranks of popular cam girls men pay to watch. But one day, Alice notices something off—her account has been not only hacked into, but a doppelgänger has taken her place. Alice’s identity has been stolen, and so have her “points” and the money she has earned from performing as Lola online.
Cam is the combined effort of Netflix and the horror production studio Blumhouse (which is responsible for the distribution of a string of high-impact, low-budget thrillers like Get Out, Happy Death Day, and Game Night). Directed by Daniel Goldhaber and written by Isa Mazzei, the psychological thriller draws from some of Mazzei’s prior experience as a cam girl, but its themes of identity theft, techno-paranoia, and invasion of privacy are universal. Brewer, who has starred in a handful of critical television series, with roles on Black Mirror, The Handmaid’s Tale, and the upcoming Captive State, spoke to W about both the drawbacks and positive aspects of social media, and how she keeps her own identity in check despite being addicted to her phone like the rest of us.
Between your performances on Black Mirror, The Handmaid’s Tale, and now Cam, I have to ask, what draws you to roles that live at the intersection of technology and terror?
We live in such an online age now, and there’s really no going back from that. I’ve always enjoyed stories about the supernatural, and with horror elements. I’ve always found them to be enjoyable and entertaining, but they also make you think, and I really enjoy being a part of projects that when you leave the theater or when you finish an episode, you don’t move on to the next one, you sit with it for a second because it forces you to take a look at something in a way that you maybe haven’t quite yet. I was madly in love with Black Mirror long before I was on the show. I’d thought to myself while watching, If they ever opened this up to American actors, I have to be a part of this! Cam takes something that is so universal—everyone is online, there isn’t a person nowadays who doesn’t represent themselves online in one way or another. That idea of being locked out of an account, or to feel that you’ve lost control on this thing that is the Internet, that truly we all use but I don’t think anybody really understands, we all just know that it works.
That’s true, we put so much of our trust into this entity that ends up having so much control over us, and in the case of Cam, I think you make a good point about the universal nature of experiencing that moment of being locked out from your account and subsequently your identity.
Yeah. I think we’ll see this more with the younger generation, the 12-year-olds, what they will be like as 28-year-olds, growing up online and creating their entire personalities and identities online. It seems like losing a part of yourself, or like you no longer have control over this part of yourself, but it’s not. It’s separate and fabricated.
You mentioned loving the horror genre, and the way that this film opens really draws you right into Alice’s world, shocking the viewer with violence and tension fairly immediately. How difficult was that opening scene—the staged suicide—to film?
That was actually my audition scene. I think that they really had to be sure that someone could understand what is happening in the scene and understand the drive to do something that crazy, for lack of a better word. Alice is completely driven by the response that she gets, and climbing that ladder. You have to understand what she’s willing to go through, and what she’s willing to put herself through and subject herself to, and you have to be able to show that she’s kind of naked, emotionally. She’s letting these people who she’s come to have friendships with online allow her to pretend to kill herself, and to egg her on. When I read the script, it was this brilliant portrayal of trolling online. If you have someone actually saying, “I’m going to go through with this, I’m going to do it,” there are people in this world who would say, “Yeah, we want to see this girl kill herself online.” We’re all so desensitized, I think, and we don’t realize that there is a whole, complex human being on the other side of that screen, and we will say horrible things. Right off the bat, it shows that the way we’ve been desensitized and the way we speak to each other online has become subhuman. I love that that’s the big grab in the beginning.
As an actor, how did you approach telling a story that exists at the nexus of both the performative nature of sex work, which is an occupation, and the performance of sharing yourself online, either through social media or other avenues?
You can replace Alice being a sex worker with being an Instagram model, or YouTube star, or Twitch streamer, and the plot line is still the same. Someone is locked out of their account that houses their online identity, and there’s someone else pretending to be them and doing things that don’t represent them. That’s something we can all relate to. We’re all online, we’re all putting cultivated and curated versions of ourselves online.
What was it like on set to film these extremely vulnerable and sometimes sexually explicit scenes? How much of a priority was safety and comfort for the actors?
If there was any element, any brief glimmer of creepiness, I would not have done this movie because ultimately I’m playing a cam girl, but I’m not a cam girl. That’s not my occupation. That’s not what I’ve chosen to do. I have chosen and I have also been chosen to tell the story of a cam girl, but I think that we confuse that for a minute, and think, Oh, you’re playing a cam girl so you’re totally comfortable doing all of this stuff. No, if I were, I’d probably make a lot of money being a cam girl and I could go do that. If there was even a hint of any sort of creepy vibe I wouldn’t have done it because I needed to be absolutely safe and comfortable on this set, and I was at every turn. It was important to me, obviously, but it was also of the utmost importance to all of our producers and our whole crew that I felt safe to do this job. It’s a heavy lift, and we shot it in, like, 20 days, and I’m in every frame. It was emotionally very taxing.
What were those conversations like between you, the screenwriter, and the director?
There was so much collaboration. We sat down and went through the entire script together, and we talked about where nudity was written and if I felt comfortable doing it the way it was written, or did I think there needed to be less, did I think there needed to be more. All of those decisions were based on my comfort level and my decisions for Alice, and Alice’s comfort level, and honoring that and doing her justice. Often times, I was written fully clothed and I was like, “No, I think she should be in a bra,” or something.
How do you, personally, handle juggling your identity between your public persona and the characters that you play?
That is something that, especially after doing Cam, I’m recognizing my own presence online and who I am online. I have my real Instagram, and I have a finstagram, where I post the stupid stuff that I wouldn’t post on my regular Instagram because no one would get it or like it. It’s difficult because now that I’m at a level where I get recognized on the street, young girls specifically will be like, “I love your Instagram,” and I’m like, “What are you talking about?” [Laughs] They’re like, “Yeah, you just post so much stuff, you’re so glamorous.” I was like, “Dude, what you’re seeing right now, this is actually me. That is a very specific version of myself that is performative and that I pay a decent amount of money to look like because I have to pay people to make me look like that! I’m not a glamorous person.” It’s all part of a game. Hollywood is a game! If you play it right, and you listen to the right people, and surround yourself with the right people who understand who you are and will enhance that and help you make a living out of it, that’s a wonderful thing.
Do you find playing “the game” to be difficult at all?
It’s difficult because you can sometimes get lost in it, and you can lose yourself in it. If I were younger and didn’t have such incredible people around me, I think I would get lost in it. It’s consuming and it’s enticing, and you can get drunk on it, honestly, on thinking that you’re this person everyone else thinks you might be. You have to have a very real and strong support system and a strong sense of self to not be consumed by it, and be chewed up and spit out. That’s how you, in my opinion, stay away from getting lost in the, “Oh, I’m so glamorous, wait, people think I’m glamorous, maybe I’ll try to be more in my everyday life like the person I present myself to be online.” If that’s a better person, that’s great. To me, it’s not a comfortable person.
What do you find to be the good or positive aspects of social media?
There are people that I’ve connected with on social media that I’ve never met, who, especially in this age of everything is available to you online but also people’s opinions on things—people just write their opinions or Instagram Story themselves, and if you follow those people you see that, and there are people in this world who don’t look like you, and if you listen to someone who doesn’t look like you, you will get a good experience. You will see someone who thinks about the world in a way that is completely different from the way you do. I am a petite white woman from South Jersey, and I follow some beautiful, black, full-figured women from the opposite coast who are experiencing life in a way that I will never know and I will never understand. I can empathize and learn and listen, but I will truly never experience that. And that’s the best thing that social media has brought me, is into their world as much as they’ll allow. Into the world of another human being whose experience is different from my own.
In the film, Alice meets up with some of the men she’s communicated with online. Have you ever become real-life friends with anyone you’ve met online?
I mean, I don’t know how much of an actual friendship is a friendship when you’ve never met. You know what, I do feel like, for example, being a fan of people’s work—I follow plenty of actors and actresses online because I appreciate their careers. And all of the sudden, they’re following me, and I send them a message like, “Yo, what’s up! I just saw you followed me. Wanna be friends?” [Laughs] And replying to people’s Instagram Stories. I do that with some of the girls from Dear White People, like Antoinette Robinson, Ashley Blaine Featherson, and Logan Brown. I met them on Instagram before I met them in person. I was just a fan of the show so I followed them all, but I guess they had all seen either Orange Is the New Black or Handmaid’s Tale or something, and we became friends. Netflix family. It also makes it much better that you have friends at parties and events because you’re like, “I know you! We’re friends on the Internet!”
You mentioned having a finsta, and I would guess finstas are still popular because many of us are still finding a need to splinter ourselves off into multiple online identities, which reminds me of the end of Cam, where an entirely new identity is developed for Alice because she needs a job, and despite the horrors she has endured, she continues to work as a cam girl. How do you interpret that ending? Why do you think she keeps going?
I think that, in a very real way, the way I relate to Alice’s ambition is that if somebody told me not to be an actor and not to pursue acting, I’d just be like, “No, you’re wrong. I’m going to keep doing this, and this is my job, and this is what I love, this is my creative outlet. It’s how I make money, this is how I come for a peace of mind. Throwing myself into this makes me a better person.” Those are all true of Alice. I think that you want to say, “Well, she only goes back to this because she’s addicted to being online, she’s addicted to that thrill.” No, she enjoys her work. She enjoys what she does, and she’s passionate about it. She feels like a better, more complete person for doing it, so that’s why she goes back, and that’s why you watch the movie and you don’t want to touch your phone for a few minutes and eventually you’re like, “Well I’ll just hop right back on and talk to people and connect with people.”
We all have a bit of an addiction to being online, I think, but how do you unplug?
How do I unplug? I don’t know that I ever have. [Laughs] Just kidding, I totally have. Often times my boyfriend and I will go up and hike in the Angelina National Forest, like, two hours outside of L.A., and there’s no service there. We kind of unplug and talk to each other. Being in nature is mostly how I unplug. I put my phone on airplane mode and leave it in the car and go out for a hike and just get some fresh air, view some things with my eyes instead of through a screen or camera.
The Handmaid’s Tale actress Madeline Brewer delivers a star-making turn in new Netflix Original movie Cam, set within the world of webcam porn.
Brewer plays ambitious camgirl (ie on-screen, real-time sex performer) Alice, aka Lola, who discovers she’s been replaced by an exact replica of herself. Being a horror movie fan, Brewer was interested in the role from the get-go, but had to make sure of one thing.
“After I read it, I was torn because I felt like I couldn’t let anybody else play this character, I have to play her, but it was also tough,” she told Digital Spy.
“This is a difficult character, a lot of moving parts and also I’m not a camgirl, but I wanted to be able to tell the story of a camgirl truthfully and I wanted to do it justice. Then I found out [writer] Isa [Mazzei] was a former camgirl and I was like, ‘I have to do this’.”
According to Brewer, it’s because of Mazzei that Cam avoids being gratuitous and is instead an authentic and “truthful” look at the lives of camgirls, albeit one with potentially supernatural elements at play.
“They gave me the reins of Alice and let me go with what I felt instinctively and Isa kept us in the world of truth and making a different film than we’ve seen before about sex workers and [Director] Danny [Goldhaber] kept us in the world of this is the artistic expression of that,” she reflected.
“It was very collaborative, so much discussion and conversation and I, at every moment, felt like my voice was heard as an actor and as a fellow artist, and that was so important. The character wouldn’t have happened without that rapport.”
The thriller sees Brewer deliver a dual role as both Alice and what the filmmakers called “Lola 2”, the exact replica that takes over Alice’s account.
“Most of the time, we shot a lot of Lola 2 first and then I, as Alice, could watch back Lola 2. But there was a lot of me staring at a screen with tracking marks on it, there was a lot of that which was very challenging,” she explained.
As challenging as it was, Brewer isn’t ruling out returning to the role should there be a sequel if Cam is a hit with audiences.
“I’m really very proud of it. I just believe in all of them so much, having witnessed their artistry first hand. I would play this character again a thousand times over,” she enthused.
From Blumhouse, the producer of GET OUT and UPGRADE comes CAM – a technology-driven psychological thriller set in the world of webcam porn starring Madeline Brewer (Handmaid’s Tale). Watch it on Netflix on November 16.
FILM: Cam (from November 16)
Dir: Daniel Goldhaber Cast: Madeline Brewer, Patch Darragh, Melora Walters
In a nutshell: Daniel Goldhaber’s feature debut sees Brewer play a cam girl. When her online life is hacked, and she’s replaced by a doppelganger, she must fight back. It’s an unlikely Hitchcock tale for the millennial age.
New Netflix November 2018 movie and TV titles announced
The Netflix November 2018 movies and TV titles have been announced and can be viewed below! All Netflix November 2018 titles and dates are subject to change. You can also view the titles disappearing from Netflix in November underneath. Which Netflix titles are you looking forward to and which are you sad to see leaving the service?
Cam – NETFLIX FILM
Narcos: Mexico– NETFLIX ORIGINAL
Ponysitters Club: Season 2– NETFLIX ORIGINAL
Prince of Peoria– NETFLIX ORIGINAL
She-Ra and the Princesses of Power– NETFLIX ORIGINAL
The Ballad of Buster Scruggs– NETFLIX FILM
The Kominsky Method– NETFLIX ORIGINAL
The Princess Switch– NETFLIX FILM
Netflix is getting a head start on festival season by acquiring the thriller “Cam.”
The film, which premiered at this year’s Fantasia International Film Festival in Montreal, stars Madeline Brewer (“The Handmaid’s Tale”), Patch Darragh (“The First Purge”), Melora Walters (“Venom”), and Devin Druid (“13 Reasons Why”).
The horror movie is a technology-driven psychological thriller set in the world of webcam porn. It follows Alice (Brewer), an ambitious camgirl, who wakes up one day to discover she’s been replaced on her show with an exact replica of herself. As this copy begins to push the boundaries of Alice’s internet identity, the control that Alice has over her life, and the men in it, vanishes. While she struggles to regain what she’s lost, she slowly finds herself drawn back to her show and to the mysterious person who has taken her place.
Daniel Goldhaber directed the pic, which will be co-financed by Blumhouse Productions and Gunpowder & Sky and produced by Divide/Conquer. Goldhaber also co-wrote the story with Isabelle Link-Levy and Isa Mazzei, who penned the script. Link-Levy, Adam Hendricks, John Lang, Greg Gilreath are producing.
“Cam” was one of the big winners of the festival, taking home awards for best first feature and best screenplay.